Warrior of Peace, Part 2


June 29, 2015 Divine Love Talk

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Host: Dr. Parthenia Grant

Co-host: Kim Michaels

Topics: Kim’s new book and first fiction, Warrior of Peace.

Parthenia:Good morning. I’m so happy to be back here today on Divine Love Talk. I know there’s been a bit of an irregularity with Kim doing a workshop in Holland and you also just came back from Estonia doing a workshop. Is that correct Kim? 

Kim Michaels:That’s right.

Parthenia:OK. And I’m also very excited to be finishing up Part 2 of Warrior of Peace. And I wanted to say, Kim, you’ve been really busy and in a couple of weeks you’re gonna be even busier coming out to do a conference here in Los Angeles.

Kim Michaels:That’s right.

Parthenia:At the beautiful Americana on Brand. It’s gonna be a very lovely atmosphere to hold a conference on love. So, Kim, I’m getting very excited about you coming out and allowing the Ascended Masters to use you to anchor the ray of love over Los Angeles. Certainly, we could learn a lot more about love and peace. So, today on the show, Kim, I’d like to take up a couple of, I think, pretty cogent points in terms of being peaceful. Today we’re going to talk about controlling other people and violence against the self. So, Kim, I’m going to open up with an amazing quote from your book that says: “If I think I have to control other people, I will always be in a struggle against them.” Now, that I’m going to have to put on one of those facebook posters and blow it up for everybody, because almost everybody I see has some kind of control issues. If they’re not trying to control time, they’re trying to control other people. They’re trying to control the way the world turns. It’s a major issue. So I’d like for us to open up on that issue. Because your book, Warrior of Peace, covers so many relevant inner struggles that we are all going through today that keep us in a place of anti-peace or non-peace.

Kim Michaels:And really the control issue is a very big one. And I can see in myself I have gone through at least some progress on the issue in the past many years. Because I also, when I was younger, I had a need to control much more; because my self-image was much more fragile.

Parthenia:Oh, of course. (Giggles.)

Kim Michaels:And so, you’re always trying to control other people in order to protect your self-image. And that’s probably has been, for me at least, the biggest challenge. I mean everybody’s little bit different in what control games we have been brought up with. Many of us have taken over these control games from our parents just by imitating what they have been doing.

Parthenia:Sure. Well, Kim, could you elaborate on — that’s an interesting take of using control. I don’t get the whole thing about your image. Can you clarify that for the audience?

Kim Michaels:We all have, I think, this basic human need to have a certain image of ourselves that says we are OK. And it can be a little different, depending on what environment we’ve grown up in, what we consider to be OK or acceptable or a good person or whatever. So, we all grow up with having this sense of if I behave like this and if I don’t behave that and if other people don’t do this to me or don’t say this about me; then I’m OK. And it can be so easy to go into this game of really trying to control other people and their opinion of us.


Kim Michaels:Because, we’re insecure about how we look at ourselves.

Parthenia:OK. So that would be related to maybe the need for approval? 

Kim Michaels:Yeah. And validation.

Parthenia:And validation. OK. Well, yeah, that’s very, very common today with young people and the whole peer pressure thing. But, when you were talking about it as a young man having that need to control, the whole Piscean era was about some huge war on control. Would you say? I mean, that was the dominant theme.

Kim Michaels:Oh, definitely. Yes. I mean we are, of course, living in a world where there is a certain elite that wants to control the population and they do this by setting up ideals for how we are supposed to see ourselves as human beings. And, of course, in the age of Pisces it’s true that one of the challenges we were facing a race was whether we would allow this elite to control us and to control our self-image. And they did to a large degree through religion, through politics, through science and any other way they could use.

Parthenia:And, of course, it’s still holding on pretty strong; but the good news, as I pay attention to the trends, is questioning the people in authority. And getting to the point where they’re, actually here in America, frustrating about the fact that you can’t hold them accountable for anything. They’re kind of like a slippery eel. … create huge atrocities and they make money off of it.

Kim Michaels:They even make the people feel responsible for it. For example, the debt problem which is very often times right now.

Parthenia:Exactly. (Laughs.)

Kim Michaels:It’s clear that the Greek people have some accountability for the way that nation has been developing, but do they really have the accountability for the entire international debt problem?

Parthenia:Exactly. When nobody consults them about how much is going to be spent on war or whatever. At least, I don’t remember anybody consulting me about the national budget.

Kim Michaels:Probably not. No.

Parthenia:I would have a little bit to say in that area about more spending on education and children and healthy causes. That’s probably why they don’t ask me.

Kim Michaels:Yes.

Parthenia:I think: “How can you hold people accountable when they haven’t had any real hand in that process?”

Kim Michaels:Yeah, but on the other hand that’s what we need to change by taking back our power to be part of the government; instead of staying outside of it and pretending like there’s nothing we can do.

Parthenia:That’s a good point, Kim. When I look at politics — and the whole book, Warrior of Peace, is about this inner struggle and our reaction to what’s happening around us. So, when we’re talking about how do we participate more meaningfully in the government, we’re talking about a catch 22. … So, the system is so corrupt, how do you even try to work within it?

Kim Michaels:Yes. And you can’t. And that’s what one of the more subtle points in the book, Warrior of Peace, is that you have two ways to go. You can either enter the dualistic struggle, and that’s what you’re saying — Then it’s a catch 22 and you end up feeling powerless, because what can you really do? You can’t fight city hall. And so what the Warrior of Peace says is that if you first go through the process of learning to control your own mind; then you’ll find a whole different way to look at society’s problems and then you can speak out in a different way, with a different voice.

Parthenia:I would really like for you to elaborate on that, because you do talk about that in the book. But, in terms of the audience, giving them more. The spiritual who are on a spiritual path, what does that look like … How do we get there? Do we move spiritually as a warrior of peace out of the peaceful protests and into what? What would you say to the audience?

Kim Michaels:The whole idea of the Warrior of Peace and the teachings of the ascended masters, in general, is that we are not powerless, because we can raise our own consciousness. And if enough people do this, we will pull up the collective consciousness.


Kim Michaels:We also have the option of working with the ascended masters for making specific calls that will have a wide ranging effect on a lot of things. But, also what the point of the book is, is that when we do purify our own minds of this tendency to struggle against an enemy; which is exemplified in the process that the warrior goes through in the book. Where the master gradually takes him beyond this tendency to struggle against the machine as the warrior calls it, which is what we were talking about, the power elite.


Kim Michaels:And then, we are able to speak out a different way. And you have mentioned before on this show that Martin Luther King was one of your real mentors and inspirators. And to me he was an example of a different voice. So was Nelson Mandala.


Kim Michaels:Unfortunately, of course, Martin Luther King didn’t live long enough to go through it. But, if you look at Nelson Mandala, you see that he actually went through a process.

Parthenia:That’s true!

Kim Michaels:That is very much like what the warrior is going through in this book.


Kim Michaels:Where he freed his mind from the dualistic struggle and he ended up forgiving the people who had imprisoned him.


Kim Michaels:And that is why his words carried a whole different weight and a whole different tone than those who were always fighting and arguing and wanting to put other people down.

Parthenia:Right. Oh. That’s a very, very important point, Kim. … But, he definitely was a radical social activist at the beginning of his life, versus the middle and the end.

Kim Michaels:Yes. He started out that way much more and then he was gradually transformed; because he saw, I think, that that wasn’t really the way to always struggle. You can go further back in history. You have Gandhi in India who also found a non-violent way to protest. When you think about how entrenched the British Empire was in its superior mindset; it was totally amazing what Gandhi accomplished in India. And I think it should be hope for all of that we can also accomplish things in our time.

Parthenia:… The wave of apathy that you see here in America in great numbers makes me wonder if something like that could even be possible here.

Kim Michaels:That is a good question.

Parthenia:At this time. I mean at this time frame.

Kim Michaels:Unfortunately, what you often see is that there has to be some trigger event that really makes people very, very dissatisfied with current conditions.

Parthenia:I think we’re getting there, Kim.

Kim Michaels:Unfortunately, when they act out of this dissatisfaction; they more easily go into the dualistic struggle and are not as open to that sort of voice.

Parthenia:That’s a very valuable point. So, when we come back from commercial; we’re going to look at violence against yourself and how you actually can turn the other cheek. You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. And I’m talking to Kim Michaels about his new book, Warrior of Peace. 


Parthenia:OK. We’re back with more of Kim Michaels’ new book, Warrior of Peace. Kim, I ended up, as I do with all of your books, copying a lot of really good quotes. And here’s another short one where you said: “Forcing yourself to suppress violent actions based on fear is violence against yourself.” Now, I think very few people on a conscious level would be aware of that. So, I’m going to read it one more time. “Forcing yourself to suppress violent actions based on fear is violence against yourself.” Now, would you give the audience an example of how a person could do that?

Kim Michaels:We are brought up to have a certain fear of the consequences of our actions. So, let’s say you get angry, for example, and instead of expressing your anger in some way; you are afraid of the punishment you will get. And so, you suppress it. Now, I’m not saying here that the anger is necessarily justified or the most constructive action. But, when you suppress it out of fear; you are committing violence against yourself, because you are forcing these feelings into the subconscious mind or the emotional body. And what they’ll do is they’ll accumulate. And as you keep doing this over time, you might eventually come to a point where this will have serious consequences for yourself. It may be that you one day lose your temper and commit some really violent act that is much more violent than it would have been a year or two ago. It may be that you go into depression or substance abuse or give up on life, because your emotional body just gets so burdened.

Parthenia:OK. Alright. That’s a very good point, because the psychologist Alice Miller talked about how when people feel abused or have been abused in some way that when they turn the anger inward; it is going to turn into a form — It’s going to affect your health, of course. But, she did say that it is a form of self-punishment; because you’re hurting yourself. You’re angry with yourself. And then, a lot of other people will push the anger outward and they will attack other people who trigger that anger in them. So, it is destructive, either inward or outward.

Kim Michaels:Right. And it’s necessary to recognize that we have these feelings and then find a way to deal with them in a more constructive manner so that we don’t have to take it out on others. And that’s sort of what the whole book is about, where the warrior gradually learns from the master how to deal with his own emotions. And instead of actually being angry with himself for the fact that he went to war and got his leg blown off; he learns to see that there was a bigger purpose behind his actions and that he can turn it into a constructive experience.


Kim Michaels:Yeah, you can basically look at the warrior in the book as a representative of many, many young people around the world, both boys and girls; but especially young men. You see them all over America and many of them have gotten into crime, violence. They’re imprisoned. You see all these young people who have a long-term prison that basically robs them of them entire youth. You see, of course, in the Islamic world how you have all of these young men that are ready to go to Jihad simply because they have been brought up with such anger. And they don’t know have to deal with it in themselves, so they fall into the pattern that has always been there. You direct the anger at a scapegoat and then you think that by killing the scapegoat, you’ll solve the anger. That’s essentially the pattern the warrior was trapped in at the beginning of the book when he goes to war. And so, I actually think that the process that is described in this book really has the potential to help a lot of young people get out of this trap of being so angry with themselves.

Parthenia:OK. That’s really important Kim, and we’re going to pick up with that point when we come back from commercial break. We’re talking to Kim Michaels about his new book, Warrior of Peace. And we’ll return right after commercial break. You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant.


Parthenia:OK. We’re back with more of Kim Michaels and his new book, Warrior of Peace. Kim, I do agree that the warrior in the book is an architype for today’s youth. In particular those that are looking for meaning and purpose in their lives. And the warrior felt that going off to defend the country after it had been attacked would bring some type of meaning to his life. And I find that that is what’s missing in the lives of many young people today, especially after they graduate from college and get a job. And they go: “Huh. The house and the car. So, is this all there is? (Both laugh.)

Kim Michaels:Yes, it’s very true that so many people are looking for that meaning. And I’m thinking about the many young people, also, who never had a chance to college, never really had a chance to get a good job, who are stuck in basically what we see in many countries around the world where you have this very, very high youth unemployment. And they feel that they have dreams, they have intentions. They feel that their life must mean something, but they see no way to express it. And that’s when they very easily get trapped into this anger of reacting against somebody who’s to blame for their misery. And that’s what the warrior does in the book. He identifies an outer enemy. And if we reach back to what we talked about with Nelson Mandala and Gandhi; Nelson Mandala might have started out as an angry social activist, but by being put in jail he overcame that anger. And I think he realized that fighting against the machine actually magnifies the problem in the world and that a new approach was needed. And that’s what I see that all of the wise people have come to this same conclusion that non-violence is the only way forward. And the only way to be non-violent is to first control your own mind. And so, really the goal that the book puts up is that the first goal for anybody, if they really want to have a positive life and have a positive impact on the world, is to learn to control your own mind so you can break the reactionary spiral that we are put in.

Parthenia:That is a lifetime process, I believe; because if you talk to anybody, including myself, listening to you own thoughts — that’s really scary. And it’s no wonder you see people that have to have the radio or the television on all the time; because what’s going inside their heads is pretty disturbing.

Kim Michaels:But I also feel that on the other hand, yes, it goes on for a lifetime; but we can very quickly come to a point where we have a completely different approach to life than what we were brought up with. And I think many spiritual people, millions of spiritual people in the western world have exemplified that already.

Parthenia:Yes, that’s absolutely true. But, I’m saying when you look at young people; they’re not being taught to make their head a pleasant place to live.

Kim Michaels:No.

Parthenia:They’re not being taught meditation tools and that your thoughts are not necessarily all your own, that your tapping into the collective unconscious. And sometimes when you have a crazy thought and you go: “Where’d that come from?” It has nothing to really do with you. You just bumped into the thoughts of all the people around you.

Kim Michaels:Yes, but we still have the opportunity in a relatively free society to look at things and say: “Do I really want to go into the same pattern as everybody else?” And this is what the warrior does in the book. He realizes that going to war was not what he thought it was. He was not actually helping his country. He was just being pulled into what he calls the machine. And that’s what I call the reactionary pattern, where basically your life is set on track. You’re talking about those who go to college, get a job and then they have to pay back the mortgage and the student loan. And they are locked in.


Kim Michaels:And then you talk about the ones who will never get an education, never get an opportunity. And they are also locked in.


Kim Michaels:And for both, the way out is to say: “I don’t want to spend my entire life in this reactionary spiral.” And the way to break out of it is to stop the reactionary patterns in my own mind. And that’s what the book really talks about, step by step, how you can do that in practical terms.

Parthenia:And I can relate to the character in many ways myself and also with the many young people that I choose to mentor and help. There’s this sense in the beginning that you are helpless. And that’s it not you that’s doing this, it’s the machine that’s doing it to you. And that’s the way the character was thinking. And trying to grow out of that “This is being done to me” and being responsible for your thoughts and your actions and understanding that you are participating in this whole scenario in some way. And, therefore, you have some responsibility.

Kim Michaels:Because you are participating because you have a reactionary pattern in your own mind that is pulling you in. And most people, the way we’ve been brought up, we are just easy victims for the machine. It’s so easy to get us to go into this reactionary spiral. And I think when we see this, we also see that it is also quite easy to break out of it with a few instructions.

Parthenia:And it’s taken me, in the three years that I’ve been using the tools on your website, Kim, at first it feels like it’s a slow and painful process. And for me it was. But, looking back at the progress that I’ve made inside of myself in terms of not reacting to the world around me in the same way and to the people around me in the same way and not giving my power away, the way that I was before. I wasn’t even aware that I was giving my power away. I would say I’ve come such a long way, I don’t even recognize myself sometimes. And I feel very blessed and I feel very, very grateful; because I had to go through that process. I didn’t get to go into an ashram. That would have been really nice. (Both laugh.) But, it was work. But, I’m so glad that I did the work; because the inner calm and the inner peace that I have now a midst the storms of life. It doesn’t mean that the storms aren’t happening. I’m just not reacting to them the same way. But it doesn’t mean that I’m not doing anything about it. I’m still speaking out. I get on my little soap box sometimes. But, I don’t feel disempowered the way that I did three years ago.

Kim Michaels:And I think that the great thing about today is that we don’t have to go to an ashram. We have the old saying that if the mountain won’t come to Mohamed, or whatever it is. So, if the student won’t come to the ashram; the ashram has to come to the student. And that’s in a sense what the book and the teachings of the ascended masters are about. Because they are saying we don’t have to isolate ourselves and withdraw from society in order to be spiritual people in today’s world. In fact, in the Aquarian age, it is much more the goal to be part of society; but still walk the spiritual path.

Parthenia:I think Jesus was saying the same thing when he said to be in the world, but not of it.

Kim Michaels:Yeah.

Parthenia:That’s a real balance that all of us have to put in some work and maybe some experience. But, when I go back to the warrior and unfortunately he couldn’t learn any way other than the school of hard knocks and he had to lose his leg before he actually got the lesson. I always am pulling for young people and saying: “OK. Look. You don’t have to try and learn everything though experience; because you’re not going to live long enough —

Kim Michaels:(Laughs. Then, both laugh.)

Parthenia:— to learn everything from experience. Learn from other people’s experience.” So, I was like that about the warrior. I felt bad for him. But, I also understood he really couldn’t have gotten it any other way.

Kim Michaels:And it is very hard to watch that, especially when it’s people close to you; such as your own children or students you have in school.

Parthenia:Yes! Absolutely.

Kim Michaels:And we would, obviously, like to spare our children from that. But, then, I think back at how I wasn’t willing to listen to my parents on certain issues and had to have my experiences. And I think that’s true for all of us. Now, the warrior, of course, got really hurt; but he also found a way to make peace with that.

Parthenia:Let’s talk about this. Here’s the quote that the shorter quote came from. This is from your book. “Refraining from taking physical action is not the same as turning the other cheek.” And you’re talking about if someone hits you or harms your or hurts you. “Many people feel dis-empowered when attacked or they are afraid that they do not have the power to defeat their attacker.” And that I think is classic, Kim, is people feel afraid and powerless when someone attacks them physically, verbally or emotionally. So, could you elaborate on what could be done in a situation like that that could realistically diffuse that situation from the inside of that person?

Kim Michaels:The context that the quote is taken from is that the warrior, of course, has to find a way to not react with anger, or not take his anger out by taking these physical actions, such as going to war. And so, what the master is trying to tell him is that the only way to avoid being pulled into this reactionary spiral with the machine is to turn the other cheek. But, turning the other cheek is not just a matter of not taking outer action; it’s also controlling your inner reactions. Because, if you feel — if you are afraid of what the reprisal is going to be from your attacker; and therefore, you submit to the attack.


Kim Michaels:Then, you will take your anger inwards. And you will actually end up feeling anger against yourself. And that can lead to self-hatred, which is what the warrior had when he comes to the ashram. And so, there is actually a long section in the book where the master is trying to take the warrior out of this self-hatred and the anger against himself feeling guilty for having done something stupid. And I think it’s very profound what the master teaches him.


Kim Michaels:And where he really makes him see that turning the other cheek means that you have no reaction to what your attacker is doing. And therefore your attacker has no power over you. He cannot force you into a reactionary pattern.

Parthenia:You do have some powerful symbols and archetypes in the book and tools that I think are so universal that pretty much everybody will be able to relate to them. I forget what you call them towards the end of the book where you’re using the metaphor of the animals?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. I forget myself, now. (Both laugh.)

Parthenia:OK. Well, it’s in the book.

Kim Michaels:But, we talk about these seven animal pairs representing the reactionary patterns we have and where the master teaches — It’s actually based on the warrior having a dream. At first, he sees a bear. And at first the bear is very peaceful and then it rears up and roars at him. And then, the master shows him that there is always an opposite polarity to the bear, which symbolizes a certain quality. And then, the opposite is the raven, which is waiting for the bear to die; because it doesn’t have the power to defeat the bear. And so, he takes him through these seven animal pairs that actually correspond to the seven chakras. And so, it’s a symbol for purifying the seven chakras.

Parthenia:OK. In Kim’s defense I will say Kim has published over 40 books. So Kim, I’m very impressed that you can remember any of this stuff. … 

Kim Michaels:No, but you also have to realize I proof read my own books, as well. So, I go through them a lot of times. So.

Parthenia:That helps. Well, this point that you’re making about — Well, here’s the end of that quote from you book where the master says: “Only when you are free from fear and feel only love can you truly turn the other cheek.” And the two instances that I can think of visually where I got it, this quote, was in Revolver and in the Peaceful Warrior, those two movies. Where in Revolver in the elevator scene the guy Richie comes out and Ray Liotta has a gun pointed at his face. And he has already transformed his ego, fighting with himself in the elevator. And he comes out so peaceful that when he sees the gun, it’s just that look on his face! You know that Ray Liotta can’t come — You know that’s real power versus force.

Kim Michaels:Right.

Parthenia:And Ray Liotta can’t even pull the trigger; because the guy doesn’t fear him. And he really wants to be feared. And it was the same thing in the Peaceful Warrior on the tower where his ego confronts him and in that moment the ego is trying to pull him off of the tower. And the guys says: “It’s you I have to let go of.” And when he lets go of his own ego, that’s when he’s safe. So, those — For people who are reading the book, I think that those two visuals are very powerful imageries to help you understand what Kim is talking about when he says turn the other cheek. It’s not having fear around what the other person is doing to you. Was that accurate, Kim?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. There is actually a book that I read years ago, which, of course, I’ve forgotten the title of. But, it’s a doctor who hypnotically regresses people to past lives. And he also shows that many people when they refuse to play the victim; their attacker can’t go through with it.

Parthenia:Alright. OK. We’ll back wrapping this up after commercial break. So, hold on to that thought, Kim.


Parthenia:OK. We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. And I am interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his new book, Warrior of Peace. Kim, I wanted you to go ahead and expand on the point that you were on before commercial break, because I think it’s really important to drive this home.

Kim Michaels:The larger issue in our lives is really what the book calls the human dilemma and it is that we live in a world that’s forcing us to react and make choices. And we often feel like we’re trapped because no matter what choice we make, it has unpleasant consequences.


Kim Michaels:And the larger point of the book is that no matter what crisis you have been though in your life, by taking command over your own mind; you can actually turn that crisis into a positive forward step. So, I think in a way the book is a crisis survival manual, when you read between the lines.

Parthenia:That’s an excellent point, because I definitely related to the step by step process that you gave in the book. Because that, ironically, is the process that I’ve gone through myself … When you get to that place where people can do and say really crazy, mean or spiteful things to you and you can observe it and look at it and go: “Wow, that’s that person’s stuff and it really has nothing to do with me and I don’t really need to react to it.” That’s when you know that you’ve done some pretty good work in terms of monitoring how you react to any given situation. So, I thinks that’s the place that you probably want people to get to from reading the book. Kim?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. We started talking about control games and we’ve all been exposed to people who want to control us. And the way they control is by forcing us to react a certain way. And as soon as we go into this reactionary spiral; they have power over us.


Kim Michaels:So, when we come to see how we are reacting to other people’s control games; we can free ourselves from our own reactionary spirals. And that means we don’t have to change the other person.


Kim Michaels:By just changing ourselves we can come to that point where we can look at that person and we know: “I’m completely free of you. You can’t force me into these old patterns.”


Kim Michaels:It’s like Jesus saying the prince of this world comes and has nothing in me.

Parthenia:Yes. That’s a quote that you use a lot throughout quite a few of your books. And I used to go: “Wow. When will that day come where he has nothing in me?” And I think this book brings home the process where you can get to that place there is nothing in you, but love. And so whenever anyone pushes a button, you’re able to look at them through the eyes of compassion or rationality, at least.

Kim Michaels:That is true.

Parthenia: OK. Well, Kim, again I thank you so much —

Kim Michaels:Thank you.

Parthenia:— for the body of work that you just continue to just pour out upon us. And I want to say again. Look out for Kim Michaels coming to LA June 17th through the 19th

Kim Michaels:July

Parthenia:I’m sorry. July 17th through the 19th at the beautiful Americana on Brand.

Kim Michaels:See you there, I hope.



Copyright © 2015 Kim Michaels


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