Warrior of Peace, Part 1


June 1, 2015 Divine Love Talk

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Host: Dr. Parthenia Grant

Co-host: Kim Michaels

Topics: Kim’s new book and first fiction, Warrior of Peace.

Parthenia:Alright. I am always blessed to be back here at CRN with my co-host, Kim Michaels. And today we’re going to be talking about his new book, Warrior of Peace. Welcome, Kim Michaels.

Kim Michaels:Thank you.

Parthenia:Kim, I am really, really fascinated with this book. And I’m so impressed at your versatility in this piece of fiction; because I’m so used to reading all of this non-fiction by you, that it’s often interesting to see a writer switch genres. And often they’re better in one genre than in another and this is really, really impressive; because I think you’ve come up with a classic. I think that this book is going to be a very fitting and very timely – I would call it an upgrade or an addendum to the Peaceful Warrior. It’s like a modern day Peaceful Warrior that is very much needed and very appropriate in that it addresses the existential angst that young people are feeling all over the world today and especially in America. So, I congratulate you for taking this on.

Kim Michaels:Thank you. Well, it was a fun book to write. It did take me quite a long time.

Parthenia:Fiction is a lot harder, isn’t it?

Kim Michaels:Well, yeah, it’s kind of funny how sometimes a book comes about. And it comes out very quickly and this one took a long time. It actually, I think, goes back probably 5 or 6 years; because I was making some Youtube videos years back. And, as far as I remember, the opening chapter of this book was written for one of those videos and it just came out very, very quickly. It was that whole sequence of the young man who’s on his way to war and he meets the master; but he can’t hear the master’s message, so he goes off to war. And then, you hear nothing about it. And it was actually several years later that I sort of got the inspiration that there ought to be a continuation of the story of what actually happened.

Parthenia:I’ve found because I’ve written all different genres from poetry to short stories to fiction novels. And my favorite, of course, is non-fiction in terms of self-help and spirituality. And I’ve even done screen plays. Because I just find that fiction really takes a lot of what I call plotting and character development and character arcs and it’s very intricate. But, I like the way that you combined a lot of classical methodologies in writing. It reminded a little bit of Kahlil Gibran’s, The Prophet, in that you do have the sage.

Kim Michaels:Yes.

Parthenia:The wise person, where the whole village and the prophet is coming out to ask him questions; although, in this particular one you have basically one student and master kind of relationship. But, it’s a very powerful teaching tool. And, of course, definitely reminds me of a different version of the Peaceful Warrior; because you have the mentor and then you have the student.

Kim Michaels:That is a classical teaching methodology really. And it goes back thousands and thousands of years. Yeah, it probably goes back ten thousand years.

Parthenia:Of course. Yeah. Socrates and Plato and Aristotle. And then, of course, for me being a teaching; that might be one reason why I really love this form of writing. And probably another reason why these kinds of books, like your new book, the Warrior of Peace, often become classics.

Kim Michaels:I think they tie into something in us, because you were saying that it addresses the angst of many young people feel. And that was my hope, that this could be a help to young people, who can identify with the warrior and his desire to go out and do something to change the world. And then, of course, they can also identify with the fact that this isn’t no easy and we often get hurt when we try.

Parthenia:Of course. And right now I stay in touch with a lot of young people on face book and just hundreds of my former students. And all of them are dealing with the very issues that you are addressing in this book in that many of them have finished, not just undergraduate, but graduate school now. And they’re professionals and they have children now. Some of them — my students go back 20 years — and some of them, their kids are starting to graduate from high school and go to college and now their kids are contacting me. And the new kids today are very much, I would say, disillusioned with the government in particular. And just pretty disgusted with the behavior of politicians. And so many of them just see right through the, what I call, dis-information, the deliberate dis-information. And I think that we can thank the internet. But, I also attribute it to the fact that I really, really stressed critical thinking skills and my students brought that home to their families and to their kids, who now question everything. And in your book the warrior is actually being taught how to ask the right questions, how to ask a better question, and how to go within to find those answers; but also, to bounce them off of the teacher. Because, often in the beginning I found that, as a teacher, when I would say: “Now, guys I want you to think for yourselves.” The students looked at me, initially, like is this a trick.

Kim Michaels:Where’s the hidden camera?

Parthenia:Right. … When students found that it was safe and it was ok to think for themselves, it was amazing what would come out. And that’s what’s happening with the warrior in your book. He is coming up with some really, really amazing insights that I’m sure he never thought that he had before he met the master.

Kim Michaels:Because the master very skillfully and gradually unlocks his own inner potential. I think that was very important what you were saying about your students’ experience; because my own experience with the educational institutions is that many of the teachers there love to make the students wrong.

Parthenia:Of course.

Kim Michaels:They want the students to fit into a certain mold and if they don’t, then they have this sarcasm that they use to kind of whip them into place.

Parthenia:Absolutely! That’s putting it nicely, Kim. (Laughs outright.)

Kim Michaels:(Laughs.) I was actually trying not to (?) And I remember that from my own schooling. It was like you were not encouraged to really be yourself and speak for yourself. You were encouraged to say what was expected of you.

Parthenia:Yeah. …

Kim Michaels:We all have this dream inside of us. And that’s sort of what the book portrays. That we will find somebody who will accept us for who we are.


Kim Michaels:And then help us go higher, help us grow. And that’s what the master does in the book. He has total acceptance of the warrior, not of what the warrior did, but total acceptance of him.

Parthenia:Yes. That’s absolutely true. And that’s something that the average student has rarely ever encountered is anyone who accepts them completely and totally.

Kim Michaels:The average human being has never encountered this.

Parthenia:That’s very, very true. I’ve found that the only way that you’re going to get students to feel safe is that they’ve got to feel loved. They’ve got to feel accepted. And they’ve got to feel like they’re valued and that they are special in their own right. And not special in an egotistical sense, but that they are being valued.

Kim Michaels:That’s very true.

Parthenia:And the master in your book, he definitely has the ability to do that, to give the warrior this sense of validation.

Kim Michaels:And I think that’s why the warrior then goes through that transformation that is portrayed in the book of opening up and, as you said, discovering something within himself that he didn’t realize was there.

Parthenia:Well, you know what I discovered with the book, Kim, and it was very valuable for me, is that in the process — and actually my discovery came from the master actually pointing this out to the warrior. Oh, I’m getting ready to go commercial break, so I’m going to save that insight that I got from the book. Oh, we’re not. Oh, she held it up at the wrong time. We have an intern. (Laughter.)

Kim Michaels:Well, we accept her unconditionally. 

Parthenia:Absolutely. I love interns. OK. So, the insight that I got is that the master is having the student invoke spiritual light. And you know I’ve been doing this ever since I discovered your website. And I really wasn’t clear about why I was so driven to do the decrees and the invocations and the rosaries, other than I was under severe attack from the dark forces at the school. And that was the only thing that gave me this sense of sort of relief and safety.

Kim Michaels:Uh-huh.

Parthenia:But, I did go through this period of wondering: My God, am I ever going to get any relief from this? And you explain in the book that what it does is that light sort of clears out that downward spiral or that negative vortex that you’ve entered into. So, that was very, very valuable. You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant, interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels about his new book, Warrior of Peace. After commercial break, we’re going to go over some of the many insights that I’ve picked up from this book and some of the questions that this book answers. Like, do we always have a choice in life? 


Parthenia:OK. I’m back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN. And today, I’m talking with my co-host about his new book, Warrior of Peace. Kim, before commercial break, I was talking about the insight that I gained about why we need to invoke spiritual light and how it actually works. Because, as I said earlier, I honestly had no idea what I was doing, other than I was driven to do it. But, and this is just my own experience, what I noticed is that while I was invoking this light … But, at the same time it still doesn’t stop these people from attacking you. In a way it’s almost like as your light gets brighter, the attacks get more severe. Does that make sense, Kim?

Kim Michaels:Absolutely. I experienced the same thing and I think most people have. It’s like we’re driven because we subconsciously sense that we have to break through to a new level on our own path. So, we have to provide that extra momentum. But, it’s true also, that as we have more inner light; it can provoke other people and it can definitely stir them up.

Parthenia:Yes. And having said that, I think that … As long as there was this fear in me, then there was something for the prince of the world to attack. And invoking this light for several years now has really calmed a lot of that fear that I was dealing with.

Kim Michaels:That is a very important effect. Now, in the book, what you call the prince of this world is call the machine.

Parthenia:(Laughter.) Yes.

Kim Michaels:And it’s because the warrior, himself, he actually did go to war and he was wounded by a bomb that blew off his one leg. And as he was lying there in the sand watching his blood soak into the sand, he went out of his body. And he saw in a vision how the whole world was controlled by what he calls the machine.


Kim Michaels:But, it’s the same thing. Whether you call it the prince of this world or the machine; there is a force in this world that always wants to pull us into reacting to it, so all of a sudden our lives are controlled by it. And the story of the warrior after he finds the master is that the master shows him how to gradually and systematically free himself from the machine.

Parthenia:Right. And the machine is, of course, a metaphor. And I call it the power elite and some people call it the matrix. …


Parthenia:OK. We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host Dr. Parthenia Grant. And I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his amazing new — I’m dubbing it. — classic, Warrior of Peace. And some of the many questions that this book answers are: Do we always have a choice in life? Are we really powerless in the face of circumstance? What came first, mind or matter? And how do we exercise mind over matter? So, Kim, I’d like to address some of these questions in this segment. And I have an excerpt from the book that I posted on face book that answers one of the questions. I’d like to share this quote from the book. I think this is the master speaking, where he says that: “If you look at most people on this planet; they have a deep, often unrecognized, sense of being powerless, of having no way to change their life experience. They engage in all kinds of compensatory behavior aimed at giving them some fleeting sense of not being powerless, because there is something they can control. If you look closely at this, you will see that they feel powerless, because they think their experience of life on this planet depends on factors over which they have little or no control; such as life, luck, fate or God. But, if you go even deeper; you see that the real issue is the way you experience life on this planet depends on material conditions. Most conditions people cannot change. Regardless of what the outer situation is like, there is more than one possible way to react to that situation by acknowledging that you have more than one option for how you react to the situation, how you look at the situation. You start taking back your power. You start digging yourself out of the black hole of powerlessness.” And Kim, I think that that quote addresses that existential angst that I mentioned earlier that young people are dealing with of feeling powerless as they look at the system, as they look at the machine, as they look at all of the problems that the world is facing … And so, I think that it’s a blessing that you address this issue very, very cogently in the book and in a very clear, succinct, and simple manner that pretty much anyone can grasp it. You don’t have to be a spiritual adept to get this information from the book.

Kim Michaels:And I’m wondering do you thing the reason why young people feel this angst more, is that because as adults you come to a point where you just submit to it, you just give up and then you don’t feel it as badly?

Parthenia:Yeah. I think that young have been conditioned at home, in the community and in the educational system to submit. This particular generation, they don’t particularly like submitting to anything. They’re pretty what I would call recalcitrant. …

Kim Michaels:But you see so many times in history, the French Revolution, the American Revolution, the 1960’s, that it was young people who rebelled against the authority of the established society. And then I’m thinking that it’s like if you go and people are in their 30’s or so; it’s almost like now they have just submitted. They are just playing along, because then they’ll get a more secure, comfortable, material life.

Parthenia:That’s that group that I was talking about that have figured out: I better go along to get along. But, I’m finding, Kim, that even with that group that are in their 30’s, after they’ve graduated from college and they have a job and they have kids; they start to look around and go: Come on, there’s got to be more to life than this. And then they start worrying about their kids and the kind of world that their kids are growing up in. And that’s where they start to realize: Oh, I can’t continue to feel powerless, because this is affecting my kids.

Kim Michaels:That’s where I think the book has a real message there. Because the master says very clearly that whether you rebel against the machine or submit to it; you’re still trapped by the machine.

Parthenia: Exactly.

Kim Michaels:He then shows a very logical path for freeing yourself from the machine.

Parthenia:And I did really appreciate how the book does go deep and just as I would be reading a passage and then my Virgo, analytical mind would go: Now wait a minute. He hasn’t addressed the full issue here. And my mind always goes: “Yeah, but.” And then I would read on and then the ‘but’ was covered (Both laugh.) by the master. So, I would go: “Ok, that’s a good thing.”

Kim Michaels:Yeah. That’s what I think is the power of the whole story form where you follow the warrior’s transition. Because he does get to a point where he asks all of the questions he has. And I think that the reader will have.


Kim Michaels:And I think that’s really, really important for taking us, and I mean society in general, out of this phase that we’ve been in that is so dominated by black and white thinking.


Kim Michaels:And I do think that you look back in history and Hitler was into black and white thinking. You’re either super human or you’re non-human and should be exterminated.


Kim Michaels:And I think even today, many nations, including the United States is very much affected by this. And that is why I think nations go to war.

Parthenia:Sure. …

Kim Michaels:Did you — In the book did you see it as just a personal story, or did you see that it had some national aspects?

Parthenia:Oh, Absolutely. I got the personal aspect of it. But, I found that it was very universal.

Kim Michaels:So, you didn’t tie it to a particular nation?

Parthenia:(Laughs) Well, of course.

Kim Michaels:I’m just wondering what your experience was. Because there isn’t — It isn’t a political book. In other words, there is nothing said in there that this applies to a particular nation. There’s just a very small hint at the very beginning, where he’s told look -

Parthenia:What was your take on it; because it had to — with the time period, it had to have been referring to the British Empire? And America is a part of that.

Kim Michaels:No. It’s just right in the beginning when the warrior is going off to war.

Parthenia:Oh. Oh, you’re talking about your book, now. I’m sorry. I thought you were referring to Utopia.

Kim Michaels:No.

Parthenia:Oh, no. Of course, I knew that it was referring to America.

Kim Michaels:OK.

Parthenia:No. No. That was really subtle, but you did a really, really good job.

Kim Michaels:And it’s not really that is only about America. It could — It’s my hope that it could, as well, address the angst felt by the young men in Muslim world.

Parthenia:Oh. For sure. Yes.

Kim Michaels:And show them a way to avoid going into war. But, it’s certainly that I think that the warrior can be seen as a symbol for America. And the fact that it is not a matter making America wrong. But, it is a matter of showing America a way out of this black and white thinking.

Parthenia:I agree. And that was addressed beautifully in the book, in terms of when you’re talking about turning the other cheek. And honestly, I’ve always had issues with turning the other cheek. And I know that most people have issues with turning the other cheek. But, you explained it beautifully when you said that: Ok, if you continually refuse to look at the beam in your own eye and what you’ve done when someone attacks you — I’ll just use myself as an example. If someone attacks me verbally or whatever, I’m always going to look at myself and go: “Oh, my! What did I say or what did I do that provoked that attack?” And once I go inside and I realize: “Ok, I did say something or I did do something and it wasn’t intentional.” Then I’m going to rectify that situation. But if I go inside and go: “Oh, wow! I didn’t do anything. I don’t even know that person.” Then I know: “Oh, that person has issues.” But, the point is you have to take responsibility, if you in way provoked that situation. …

Kim Michaels:But, I think that there’s more and more people in the United States, both young people and older, who are beginning to be able to take that. And I think that will shift the view of the nation within a very short period of time.

Parthenia:And that is my hope, Kim. …

Kim Michaels:I agree with that. Because what it really requires you to do is to say: “OK. Maybe we didn’t do anything specifically to provoke this particular attack; but maybe we’re in a state of consciousness, and maybe our national behavior over time has actually provoked it.”

Parthenia:Oh, Oh, absolutely. … 


Parthenia:OK. We’re back wrapping this up on CRN with my host, Kim Michaels, discussing his book, Warrior of Peace. So, Kim, I did say that we were going to answer the question: Do we always have a choice? Could you address that?

Kim Michaels:We always have a choice in the sense that we can choose how we react to the conditions outside of us. You feel powerless to change the conditions that are taking place, but that’s because you have been conditioned to believe that it’s only when you change the outer conditions that your inner state of mind will change. And that is what the master shows in the book that by taking command over your state of mind, you will never be powerless.

Parthenia:I don’t know why people have such a hard time believing that they actually have a choice, no matter what the situation is. And that everything really is a matter of choice. And that choosing to do nothing is still a choice.

Kim Michaels:That’s because the machine wants you not to realize this. It’s wants you to believe that you are powerless. And that there are certain conditions where if you can’t change the outer conditions, there’s nothing you can do, you might as well give up. And the reality is we never give up, because as the book also makes clear; it’s always the consciousness that comes before the physical manifestation. And you can always change the consciousness.

Parthenia:Right. And that was another fascinating point that was made in the book where it questioned what comes first, your mind or the physical. Mind or matter? And I think that’s the real trap that keeps us stuck in illusion is that we believe that matter comes first, instead of our mind influencing matter. …

Kim Michaels:And there are other good books. The Tao of Physics is an old classic that talks about it. And I think it is really important, because in a scientific age we need that scientific metaphor to realize that consciousness really is so essential.

Parthenia:Yes. … And I love this little book called, Stalking the Wild Pendulum (by Itzhak Bentov). That was my first introduction to quantum physics and non-linear time. So, there’s lots of stuff out there that will help people that are interested in breaking the matrix and moving into the golden age, which is this movement towards peace. And I think your book, Warrior of Peace, Kim, is an excellent segue into the golden age of Aquarius.

Kim Michaels:Thank you.

Parthenia:Thank you all for joining us. And, Kim, I won’t be here next week. Dr. Sarah will be here. But, we’re going to pick up the following week with the remainder of the book. There’s lots of good stuff that I want to cover. So, thank you all for joining us. I’ll be back in two weeks.



Copyright © 2015 Kim Michaels


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