The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem, Part 2

September 23, 2013 Divine Love Talk

Guests: Vanessa Benjamin and Kim Michaels .

Topic: The book The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem by Kim Michaels.

Parthenia: Welcome.  And thank you for joining us once again on Divine Love Talk.  You can catch us on YouTube and on Facebook at Divine Love Talk.  And we’re back today with part 2 of The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem, Kim Michaels’ amazing new book that Vanessa and I are both in agreement that every young person in the world needs to read this book.  

Vanessa: Yes.

Parthenia: Actually, everybody need to read this book.  We’re also going to look at the spiritual definition of self-esteem.  And we want to talk to Kim about how we can still the outer mind and experience the unconditional love of the Divine.  And we want to, also, look at how we can help young people tune into their divine plan.  So, we’re trying to cover a lot today.  We probably won’t make it all.  And we’re probably going to have to do a part 3 on this, but I’m being very ambitious.  So, welcome Kim Michaels.  I’m so excited that the book is out.  

Kim: Thank you.

Parthenia: I’m certainly spreading the word.  I know Vanessa is spreading the word.  And we’re very, very grateful for the work that you’ve done in this book.  So, I wanted to start out with true self-esteem, where you said in the book that it is acquired through experiencing the individuality that’s anchored in your I AM Presence, which you refer to as your pure self.  So, my question is: could you explain to the audience what exactly our I AM Presence is and how we can go about having a direct experience with that presence?  Because, I just kind of think we’re all really lost somewhere trying to get back home and connect with our divinity.  And we just don’t even know who we are and what exists within us. 

Kim: Yeah, the I AM Presence is sort of everything that we have ever longed for.  Because the I AM Presence is, of course, not here in the material world, where we can be affected by this world.  The I AM Presence exists in a higher level of vibration and it can’t be destroyed or altered by anything we go through.  But, what happened to all of is that we have lost that connection.  And, therefore, we feel incomplete.

Parthenia: Yes.

Kim: And so many of things we do in the world, including trying to find me-esteem and we-esteem by having things or doing things or having a position in the world.  They are all born from this desire for wholeness, for this inner sense that we belong somewhere and we are filled from inside ourselves.  And that feeling, we will never achieve in any other way than oneness with who we really are, the higher self, the pure self.  It is simply the only way.  There is nothing in this world that can fill you.  And you can go on for lifetime after lifetime looking for something and it’s just never going to happen.

Parthenia: If you look in Hollywood, I think it’s a testament to the search for fame and money –

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: - and fortune and enough of this and enough of that and then people commit suicide.  They forget it all.  So, I would have to agree with you.  And I know that a lot of people are aware from the old Testament that when Moses asked God: “What is your name?”  He said: “I Am is my name.”  And I think that there is this confusion with people that they actually have a spark of the divinity that is within them, which is called their I AM Presence and is their connection to the Divine.  And I noticed you stated something that was really cogent and very true about the pure self, or the spiritual self, not being able to lower itself to our present level; because it’s function is to preserve our divine individuality, which you touched on a second ago, from being destroyed by the conditions here on earth - which, of course, creates a catch 22; because the spiritual self can’t reach down.  And then, we can’t reach up.  So, how do we resolve this catch 22, Kim?

Kim: Well, another way to say what I was talking about earlier, is that what separates us from the I AM Presence is, of course, the ego and the outer self.

Parthenia: Yes.

Kim: And the ego has a dysfunctional, whatever you want to call it, programming that it absolutely – it’s born out of this world and it cannot ever see the I AM Presence as a solution to anything.  So, for lifetimes we have allowed the ego to run our search for wholeness and it has been attempting to get it from this world.  And it’s perfectly true, like you said, there are some people who have attained seemingly everything you could want.  They have all the money.  They have all the fame.  But, they still feel empty inside.

Parthenia: Yes.

Kim: And the problem here is that you are actually trying to achieve wholeness through the ego, which was born from separation from wholeness.

Parthenia: Right.

Kim: And it can never happen.  So, you can actually come to realize that.  You can reason about this.  And I know many people who have, by finding the teachings of the ascended masters and learning about the I AM Presence – they have come to understand this.  They understand it very well that they need to attain a connection of oneness with the I AM Presence.  The problem often comes in, because we actually take some of the illusions from the ego and project them onto the I AM Presence.

Vanessa:  Mmmm.

Parthenia: Yes.

Kim: So, instead of just opening ourselves up to the I AM Presence, we are still, with the mind, projecting some kind of image onto the Presence of the Presence should behave this or it should be like that.

Parthenia: Yes.

Kim: It should be like this magic god that comes and does everything for us.

Parthenia: Yeah, trying to control it.

Kim: Yeah.  And Jesus actually made a very interesting statement.  He said that it’s you Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.  And the Father can be seen as God, but it can also be seen as your I AM Presence.

Parthenia: OK.

Kim: And really, the Presence is there to give you that sense of wholeness, but in order for you to experience the Presence; you have to overcome the illusion that you are separated from it.  And that means you have to stop projecting an image onto the Presence.  You have to just empty your mind of all these ego-based images so you can experience the reality of who you really are, instead of trying to force yourself to fit into some kind of image so that God will finally accept you.

Parthenia: Well, you know Vanessa was talking just a minute ago, right before the show started, about your experience about emptying out all of the ego filters.  And so, could you share that, your process of how you were able to do that?

Vanessa: Yeah, well, when I’m doing rosaries.  Well, she had recently given me one of your e-books that was for transcending the death consciousness.

Parthenia: Right.

Vanessa: And I was doing all four, consecutively, for a while.

Parthenia: And they’re powerful.

Vanessa: Yeah, they are.  And I had this moment where I just kind of felt a little bit lighter and I was like: “Oh, my God.”  I was floating with this sense of unconditional love.  And now when I’m able to do my rosaries, I can feel it in my heart.  And it kind of permeates out to the rest of my body.

Parthenia: And I was telling Vanessa we’ve all had these little snatches, these little glimpses of divine grace, of the Presence filling us up with joy and love.  And it’s just so difficult, with all these filters and all these games that the ego plays, for us to stay in that feeling of grace.  And one of the things that I wanted to talk about, at some point, was how we already have fragile self-esteem, we already have all these illusions.  And then, if you look at the world around us, the movies, what’s going on in the world; it’s always about somebody being set up and falsely accused of this and having to fight to clear their name.  And it affects your vision of yourself and your self-esteem so profoundly when people are constantly attacking you.  So later on, Kim, I’d like to talk about the accuser of the brethren and how we – it’s talked about in Revelation where it says: They accused their brothers day and night.  And I think that that’s a huge impediment to people being able to experience real self-esteem, so we might as well talk about it now, Kim.

Kim: Yeah, I agree.  (All laugh.)  No, I think one of the things that most of us never realize as we were growing up is that there is a certain consciousness in the world that really accuses all of us.  And it often works through people who accuse you of something; but really, you can look at it as there is a consciousness that wants to draw us into this struggle, we have to defend ourselves.

Parthenia: The epic battle, you called it.

Kim: Yeah.  And there’s an epic struggle between good and evil.  We have to be on the side of good.  And some people think they have to destroy evil.  But, even on a less violent level, we often think that we have to live up to some kind of image.  And on the last show, we talked about original sin.  And one of the images that has been projected by Christianity for almost 17 centuries is that we are fundamentally flawed and therefore, we have to live up to some kind of standard in order for God to accept us.

Parthenia: Yeah.

Kim: And you take what I just said earlier.  Jesus said it, himself.  Fear not little flock, it is your Father’s good PLEASURE to give you the kingdom.

Parthenia: Right.

Kim: And he actually went completely against the concept of original sin by saying all you really have to do is accept God’s love.  And Vanessa, you were talking about this experience of the unconditional and this comes about when we stop trying to think that we have to do something to receive God’s love.

Parthenia: (Laughs.)  Isn’t that sad!

Kim: You know, because if we think about this.  (Parthenia continues laughing.) 

Kim: Yeah, but if you think about it; unconditional love, right?

Parthenia: Is unconditional!

Kim: What do you have to live up to in order to receive unconditional love?  You have to stop thinking you have to live up to any conditions.

Parthenia: Right!  And there – OK – WOW – I just had a HUGE ah-ha moment.  (laughs)  You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I’m Dr. Parthenia Grant.  I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels.  And we’re talking about his amazing new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  I also have my special guest, Vanessa Benjamin, our intern here for Divine Love Talk, and she’s putting into practice all of this amazing material on your website, transcendence toolbox.  I want to encourage people to go out and grab this book.  It’s available at, at Barnes and Noble.  And I think the reading is really easy.  It’s so simple. (paperback) (paperback) (for kindle)

Vanessa: Yeah, it REALLY is.  It took me no time to get through half of it.

Parthenia: And she’s in school and doing a lot of things.  But, I think it’s a very, very important book.  And the insight you just gave us, Kim, is WOW, OK.

Vanessa: Yeah!

Parthenia: It just made me feel: OK, all I need to do is get out of my way.

Vanessa: Right.

Parthenia: And just accept that I am deserving of love.  And when we come back from commercial break, I want to open up with Mariah Carey’s Vision of Love.  Because I think we have to create a vision of ourselves as loving and lovable and worthy of God’s love.  OK.  You’re listening to Divine Love Talk.  When we come back from commercial break, more of Kim Michaels and his new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.


Parthenia: OK.  We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I’m Dr. Parthenia Grant.  You can find us on YouTube under Parthenia Grant and Divine Love Talk.  And you can, also, find us on facebook at Divine Love Talk.  We are talking to my co-host, Kim Michaels, author of the amazingly important new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  Because I just happen to know when I was in graduate school, that was one of the things that I discovered, when I was looking at the destruction of the god of civilizations, was that it all boiled down to some real low self-esteem -

Vanessa: Right.

Parthenia: - and a lot of self hatred.  And I think that that is the need of the hour is for us to try to figure out what real self-esteem is and how we can get it.  And create a vision of love for ourself and for the planet.  And so coming back, as we’re talking to Kim, I want to open up with Mariah Carey’s song, a Vision of Love and talk about that.

Parthenia: OK.  Now I think that – now this is just my interpretation of it – is that the vision of love is that reconnection to the Divine that is within you, to your I Am Presence.  And she said something that was connected with what we were talking about before commercial break of feeling like we’ve got to do something to deserve God’s love.  And alienating ourselves from that.  And, Vanessa, you and I were talking about, on commercial break, how all we gotta do is get out of our own way.

Vanessa: Yeah.  Just let go of all the conditions that we have placed upon ourselves.  We have accepted those conditions.  And as soon as you let them go, you can allow that –

Parthenia: The grace can come in.  The Presence can come in and it can build you up.

Vanessa: Yeah.  It’s always there.  Yeah.

Parthenia: Wow.  Huh.  OK.  So, Kim, I would like for you to explain your understanding of pure unconditional love versus the conditional love of the human self, which the ego has imposed upon us.  Because I find, when I’m teaching, that most young people, what they believe is love, is actually control.

Vanessa: Right.

Parthenia: It’s possession.  And it’s got so many conditions on it that it’s – there’s no unconditionality in it at all.

Kim: Well, that’s perfectly true, because we have all been brought up experiencing a lot of conditional love from parents and from society.  And you know, it is perfectly true, only when there are conditions can you be controlled.

Vanessa: Right.

Kim: I mean you can have physical, absolute physical control.  But really – I live in Estonia today, which was part of the Soviet Union.  And even the Soviet Union didn’t have the physical power to monitor every person 24 hours a day.  So, they had to control people through fear.  And fear is conditions.  You accept some kind of conditions, such as if I don’t do what the church says, I’ll burn forever in hell.  

Parthenia: Or the government.  They’re going to come and get me.  Big brother.

Kim: One element or whatever.  But, in the middle ages, the church and the state were so intermeshed that you actually thought that if you rebelled against the king, you’d be rebelling against God and you’d go to hell.

Parthenia: Yes.  That’s true.  Yeah.

Vanessa: Mmmm.

Kim: And so that was a total control through the psychological mechanism of fear and conditions.  And I think we’ve actually – when these wonderful founding fathers signed the Declaration of Independence; they actually took humankind a fundamental step higher in our collective evolution.

Parthenia: Kim, after commercial break, we’re going to come back with that thought.  Hold it. OK, you’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN with Dr. Parthenia Grant.


Parthenia: OK.  We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN with Dr. Parthenia Grant.  You can find us on YouTube at Parthenia Grant and Divine Love Talk on facebook.  We are interviewing our co-host today, Kim Michaels, from Estonia.  And his new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  We have Vanessa Benjamin in house today.  And, Kim, you were talking about – before we had to go into commercial break – about the constitution.  We were talking about divine love and a vision of love.  So I wanted you – you had an important point.  I wanted you to start over that and finish it.

Kim: Yeah, we were saying that you can really only control people when they accept certain conditions.  And I was saying that the founding fathers, which I honestly had never thought about before; but they took us a step towards unconditional love in the Declaration of Independence, because they’re unalienable rights.

Parthenia: That’s true.

Kim: No power on earth can violate your rights.  That’s precisely what unconditional love says, that there is nothing on earth that can stop you from receiving God’s love and therefore feeling what we talked about earlier, the inner wholeness with your own higher self.  So, what has happened over the millennia is that there are people on earth who have come in and defined either a political system or a religion that says: “Oh, you can’t just sit down and receive God’s love.  You have to live up to all of these conditions before you can receive it.”  And if we believe that, we are running with our tongues sticking out trying to qualify for what God will give us freely.  Just sit down and be quiet and say: “Ok God, now I’m ready to accept what you’ve always wanted to give me.

Vanessa: I just had an image of that.  It was hilarious.

Parthenia: And that is what we’re doing, right?

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: Well, and Kim, thank you for reminding us.  And I think, as Americans, we all should go back and read the Declaration of Independence and remind ourselves that we are entitled with these unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: How about that?  I just love that movie by Will Smith, Pursuit of Happiness.  And yet, we pursue misery doggedly.  And when you try to take some people’s misery away from them; they’ll fight you, because they believe that there is no path to happiness.  And so, there’s a real paradigm shift that needs to take place.  And until we can create a vision of love and let go of a lot of these old beliefs.  Like Vanessa, you were talking about how people start to identify with their diagnosis.

Vanessa: Yeah, today the current paradigm of psychology is that when you are diagnosed with any type of psychiatric disorder, whether it be anxiety or depression; it’s irrevocable.

Parthenia: And they always say there’s no known cause and there’s no known cure.

Vanessa: It’s genetic or –

Parthenia: Get over it.

Vanessa: It’s just how you are, right?

Parthenia: Yeah, too bad!

Vanessa: Exactly!  And so, you’re hopeless.

Parthenia: And you identify with it.

Vanessa: Yeah.  And their treatment is, pretty much, to give you drug therapy.

Parthenia: Drug you out.

Vanessa: And then, maybe do a little bit of cognitive/behavioral therapy to kind of help you with it.  But, it’s to help you cope, not to help you get over it.

Parthenia: Yes.

Vanessa: So, I realized that with my social anxiety – see, there I go again!

Parthenia: MY social anxiety.

Vanessa: You identify with this.  And you kind of become it.  And it becomes almost impossible to get over it, when you identify with it.

Parthenia: Sure.  Because you’ve been labeled that.

Vanessa: Yeah.  And the label – it sticks.  And you believe it.

Parthenia: And it creates a stigma.  And you believe that it’s there for the rest of your life.  And then, you can’t get out of your way.  There are just so many booby traps, Kim, that it’s endless, the things that the ego can come up with to keep us from just sitting down and receiving the love that we are divinely entitled to.

Vanessa: Yeah.  

Kim: Yeah.  That’s exactly right.  And I actually have several chapters in the book that talk about this whole process of how we have the outer self, or the ego, that is desperate to define who we are and get us to accept this definition, whether it’s a mental illness or whether it’s that we are sinners.  And there are so many of those labels in the world.  And Jesus actually made a very interesting statement.  There’s a passage in John where he’s talking to a Jewish guy called Nicodemus.  And he says to him that the only man who can ascend back to heaven is the man who descended from heaven.  And I explain that in the book as we descended as a pure self that didn’t have all these conditions.  It didn’t accept any conditions when we descended.  And the only way we are going to get out of here, is by returning to that purity, where we no longer accept any of the conditions that we have had put upon us as we traveled on this planet.  That’s the key really.  That’s the key to self-esteem.

Parthenia: You know – OK.  And I would agree with you completely.  And I think that when you look at babies when they are born, they come here with this – I think they are still connected to their I Am Presence and they have the healthiest form of self-esteem.  And we so quickly destroy it in them.  If you look at a – If you give a baby a mirror and the very first time they see that mirror, they are in LOVE with themselves.  They start kissing themselves.  And the first time they discover their fingers and their toes, they’re just amazed by it and the world around them.  And you made some really cogent points, Kim, in the epilogue of your book, about young people and shifting the paradigm of the primary goal in modern society; which instead of focusing on just providing material conditions and focusing on money and the pursuit of money, that what would really help – and I have to agree 100% - is to allow the greatest number of people to pursue a growth in consciousness.  Now, what a concept that is.  So, Kim, would you talk about that a little bit.

Kim: Yeah.  I think we have to ask ourselves what comes after the welfare society.  I know that in America there is a lot of people who can’t stand the word welfare.  We are still pursuing a country in the United States, and certainly in Europe, as well, where people’s physical needs are by and large taken care of.  And when I look back to my great, great grandfather, who had thirteen children and had worked six days a week twelve hours a day back in the 1890s to make a living; I can understand why he didn’t have time to sit down and read a book on self-esteem.  That just wasn’t an option for him.

Parthenia: Right.

Kim: But today, since the 1960s, we’ve had a lot of people who have the greatest luxury you can actually have, free time.  And it’s just for our forefathers who got up at sunrise and worked until sunset and then still worked until they fell asleep.  This must be an incredible luxury that they couldn’t even imagine,  actually not have all your time and energy caught up in making – in physically surviving.

Parthenia: Eeking out a living.

Kim: So, we have to really ask ourselves what is, then, the next step for civilization.  Is it just that we keep getting more and more free time that we don’t know what to do with, so we spend it on empty entertainment?  Or is it that we figure out what to do?  

Parthenia: And consuming.

Kim: Yeah.  Instead, we could figure out what to do with our free time.  And that would precisely be to obtain that wholeness that is the foundation for self-esteem.  

Parthenia: Well, you know what that reminded me of, Kim, was – you’re absolutely right.  Even back during the transcendental movement and when we were talking about Emerson and Thoreau, who - Thoreau went to Walden Pond, where he wrote the book (Walden (  But, he had the leisure to be able to go into the woods.  But, I admire the fact that he built his own little wood cabin and he was protesting the taxation without representation and the war.  But, he was creating a model for us with his essay on civil disobedience that you gotta go back and reconnect with the I Am Presence, reconnect to nature.  But, you have to find a way to be able to afford to do that.  And we actually could – there is the possibility that we could do that, if we decided to create a new vision for young people and make raising their consciousness, or the pursuit of a higher level of consciousness, a priority.  You are listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I am Dr. Parthenia Grant.  We’re interviewing Kim Michaels about his new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  I have Vanessa Benjamin, our intern, in the house today.  And we want to encourage all of you to go out and get that book.  

Vanessa: YES!

Parthenia: It’s available at Barnes and Noble.  And to check out Kim Michaels’ website at  Talk about raising your consciousness, whatever you need is there.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: And I am so grateful to all the work that you’ve done, Kim.  And all of the tools that you provide for free.  And all of the books that you are churning out.  I’m in awe.  Hee-hee, hee-hee.  So, I thank you for that.

Parthenia: Well, let’s move on to – you stated that western society is heading for a crisis.  And it’s not economic.  It’s not social.  And it’s not political.  So, you want to tell the audience: what is this crisis?

Kim: Yeah, it’s a spiritual crisis.  Because it’s perfectly natural that when we get free time, we are confronted with what people call the big questions of life.  Who are we?  Why am I here?  Does life have a meaning?  And, to me, it is a form of cruelty that we bring up children and young adults without having a sense that their life has any purpose and meaning.

Parthenia: It is a tragedy.

Kim: It’s completely idiotic.

Parthenia: And irresponsible.

Kim: It is really a tragedy.  It’s not what a democratic society should be about.

Parthenia: I agree.

Kim: And I think it really goes back to the fact that there are some people who look at human beings as simply workers that have to be available when they are needed and stay out of the way when they are not needed.  And therefore, there is no purpose for most people, other than to be available to work for the elite.  And that’s quite frankly a paradigm that I think our civilization has outlived and we need to question it very seriously.

Parthenia: I agree and I go back to the movie, The Matrix, where we’re just energy for the machines and the paradigm of us being just human resources for the power elite to exploit.  And then, us just numbing out on consumerism.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: Because we don’t know that we’re important.  I did rent that movie, Kim, What About Bob?  And what struck me was that little boy, Richard Dreyfus’ son, where he wore black.  He was like nine years old or something, maybe eight or nine years old.  And he was so morose, because he was: “What’s the point in learning how to die, ‘cause we’re just gonna die.  There death looming over us.”  And I see that in a lot of young people.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia:  And when you consider that of all the deaths of young people, one out of three of them die through suicide.

Vanessa: Whoa!

Parthenia: There has to be such a huge sense of hopeless and frustration that is not being addressed when one out of three of our young people that are dying; they’re killing themselves.

Kim: Yes.  It’s absolutely shocking.  Or at least, it should be shocking; but we have just so numbed ourselves to it.  Because we have grown thinking that there is no real purpose to life.  I mean, I look at my parent’s generation and they thought the purpose of life was to be a good consumer.  And in order to have money to consume, you had to go to work 40 hours a week.  And that was life.  And there are so many people that – like you mentioned there with one of the movies.  It’s actually portrayed very well.  His father is a psychiatrist and he has the typical materialistic view of the human psyche and what that does.

Parthenia: Narcissist.

Kim: Yeah.  I mean if people want to see a funny movie, What About Bob?  It’s an old movie, but it is really funny.  And it really says something about the whole profession of psychiatry and psychology, because we’ve gotten ourselves in a blind alley.  Because we insist on materialism.

Parthenia: Yes, and -

Kim: It’s a condition for controlling us, because what Jesus actually showed us was an example of a person who cannot be controlled by anything, because he knows who he really is.  He was not created on this planet.  He is not defined by anything on this planet.  And that’s true of self-esteem, when you know you are not defined by anything on earth.

Parthenia: Yeah, and he was constantly saying who he was.  The Father and I are one.  And thank you for reminding me of that, Kim.  I had the most touching moment with you and your wife this weekend, skyping you.  And I’m so grateful for you guys reminding me of who I really am.  And the day before that an old friend of mine just kinda popped up and he said: “You know the last time I talked you, you’re dealing with so much stress, and you’ve been so good to me and to so many people; I’m here to remind you of who you are.  And to give back to you what you’ve given to me and to so many people over the years.”  And I said: “Well, I don’t remember doin’ anything for you.  I can’t mean anything to you.”  And he said: “You brought back my love for spirituality.  And you got me back in touch with who I really am.  And I’m grateful for that.”  And I just started crying.  And it wasn’t sadness, but it was just joy.  Remembering who you are.  And we do need people in our lives to remind us of the fact that we are not what the world is saying that we are and we don’t have any expectations to live up to.

Vanessa: Right.

Kim: Yeah, and really, I was thinking when you were talking about your friend reminding you there.  This could actually just as well have been Jesus speaking through him.

Parthenia: IT WAS!

Vanessa: Wow!

Kim: Because, remember Jesus said: In as much as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren; you have done it unto me.  And that is what God, your higher self, and the ascended masters want you to know.  That they love you unconditionally and their love is not affected by anything that anyone has put upon you on earth.

Parthenia: Well, thank you, Kim, for reminding me of that, as well.  Because I did feel that.  I did feel like that was the answer to a prayer.  You are listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I’m Dr. Parthenia Grant.  We’re interviewing Kim Michaels about his new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  We have Vanessa Benjamin in the audience.  We want to encourage you to go to transcendencetoolbox.  And go get that book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.


Parthenia: OK.  We’re back, wrapping this up on Divine Love Talk with Dr. Parthenia Grant.  You can catch us on YouTube and on facebook.  And we are talking with Kim Michaels about his new book, The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem.  And we were wrapping this up, talking about how important it is to switch our paradigm about young people from consumption and technology to spending – instead of – They’re literally being led into just drinking and partying.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: And gangs and just wasting a lot of free time that they have, because they don’t know how important they are and they don’t know that they can make a difference in the world, that one person can make a difference.  And I know myself, as a professor, that by stressing that – and you are a testament to that – that you are important.  How it’s necessary to get kids on track.

Vanessa: YES!

Parthenia: And to pull them out of that.  And, Kim, you made a wonderful point about society needing to switch the paradigm to raising the consciousness.  And by viewing consciousness as an important, valuable resource.  And you point out that young people, if they are given the time to find themselves, they could come up with amazing creative ideas to solve the problems of the world; instead of feeling so helpless and overwhelmed and victimized by it.  So, Vanessa, maybe you could say something on that.

Vanessa: Yeah, I’m thankful that I have a mother who allows me to have this internship and to go to school.  I’m not working, currently, right now.  But, I’m able to really focus on my consciousness.

Parthenia: What a blessing!

Vanessa: And if it was not for that, I probably would not have made as much progress as I have.

Parthenia: Absolutely.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: And, Kim, I know we don’t have much time left.  So, what do you want to leave the audience with?

Kim: Just go my book, because you can’t in a 20 second sound-bite give you the fullness of self-esteem, but you can in a book that’s only 238 pages and can be read in a weekend.

Vanessa: Right.

Parthenia: I agree.  And it’s fun reading and it’s easy reading.  I couldn’t wait – I just love the title, but just being familiar with your work; I was truly impressed at how you were able to simplify all of these ideas and these really profound concepts and bring them to a regular audience in a way that they can embody them and actually use them.

Vanessa: Right.

Parthenia: And I think it’s probably one of the most important books, today – that everybody needs to go out and read.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: So, I’m saying.  Go to Barnes and Noble and get that book.  You second that?

Vanessa: FOR SURE!

Parthenia: And especially, since it’s now an e-book.  Everybody can download it on their – on all of their devices.

Vanessa: Yeah.

Parthenia: It is The Spiritual Road to Self-Esteem by Kim Michaels.  Check out transcendencetoolbox with all of the tools that he has there.  Because everything that you need to bring meaning into your life and to shift the paradigm of thinking that you’re this worthless, sinful human being into embracing who you really are, which is a divine person.

Vanessa: And pure love.

Parthenia: And pure love.  It’s there on transcendencetoolbox for free.

Vanessa: For free.

Parthenia: And check us out on YouTube, Parthenia Grant and on facebook, Divine Love Talk.  Thank you so much for joining us.  Kim, we’ll be back next week with more on your book.

Kim: Thank you.

Parthenia: Thank you for joining us from Estonia.



Copyright © 2013 Kim Michaels





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